A Rebuke to TBN and Steve Harvey

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Permalink Reply by Helen G. Thomas on February 16, 2010 at 2:20pm

Sorry, didn't read all your replies to Simplysaved.
I am not in this walk to be entertained. I don't need to have a worship experience, I desire to live a life of worship.
I didn't turn to the show, I was in someone else's house when I heard it. There is a difference. I didn't 'eat the meat and spit out the bones', I didn't accept what I heard. If the information is carnal, then I have no use for it.
Many times what happens is that when someone we approve of is held to accountability, we feel that the disapproval is a reflection of ourselves. That too is the way that the LORD gives us character building situations.
I want to walk this walk all the way. I have no time for junk. This is serious. JESUS is returning very very soon and the errors that count against me, I don't want them to be errors of commission (agreement with that which is ungodly).

Permalink Reply by Richard Galvatron3000 Smith III on January 27, 2010 at 3:04pm

The rebuke is to the Lukewarm Church and the Correction is for Steve Harvey. I'm glad someone obeyed God. I was edified by obedience and challenged as well to contend for the faith. If you read the Bible and are always edified then good for you but sometimes the Word of God cuts me, it's not fun being corrected but needed by ALL who are called Children of God

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Permalink Reply by AnDraea on January 27, 2010 at 4:48pm

Richard I hear your points and let me lay this out for your consideration: I have been rebuked and corrected, and set straight and disciplined by my friends, my brothers/sisters in Christ, my pastor, and yes God- that's exactly why my heart goes out to Steve- nobody broadcast my mess and much needed corrections on YouTube. Yes God disciplines those He loves, yet baby christians have to be nurtured "in a spirit of gentleness". The only call in the Bible for an open rebuke is in the case of an ELDER who is in sin an has had at least two witnessess to testify to that sin. Only then does God command the leaders of the church to openly rebuke the ELDER so that the rest of the congregation will have the fear (respect and awe) of God. (see I Timothy 5:19-20)

The rebuke is to the Lukewarm Church and the Correction is for Steve Harvey. I'm glad someone obeyed God. I was edified by obedience and challenged as well to contend for the faith.
Yes I get your drift here- that's why I believe that the video is food for thought for those of us who call our selves saved. And yes, the book of James says we must "contend for the faith" (Jude 3)- and Paul told Timothy to "keep a CLOSE WATCH ON YOURSELF AND ON YOUR TEACHING. Stay true to what is right, and God will save you AND THOSE WHO HEAR YOU." (I Timothy 4:16, emphasis is mine). My point is, that having Steve Harvey give his testimony on TBN isn't going to be effective unless his understanding of doctrine is in line with God's word. And again I say, that does not only go for Steve, but for each and every one of us who call ourselves Christians.

P.S. Gentlemen I am enjoying this conversation because it is making me search the scriptures

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Permalink Reply by Richard Galvatron3000 Smith III on January 27, 2010 at 5:35pm

Richard I hear your points and let me lay this out for your consideration: I have been rebuked and corrected, and set straight and disciplined by my friends, my brothers/sisters in Christ, my pastor, and yes God- that's exactly why my heart goes out to Steve- nobody broadcast my mess and much needed corrections on YouTube. Yes God disciplines those He loves, yet baby christians have to be nurtured "in a spirit of gentleness". The only call in the Bible for an open rebuke is in the case of an ELDER who is in sin an has had at least two witnessess to testify to that sin. Only then does God command the leaders of the church to openly rebuke the ELDER so that the rest of the congregation will have the fear (respect and awe) of God. (see I Timothy 5:19-20)

Brother nobody broadcasted Steve's "mess" over youtube but a few people who loved what they saw on TBN, go on Youtube and you'll see the entire interview all over Youtube with folks shouting the praises of Steve Harvey condemning the men and women of God. Steve was on TV which was being broadcasted to millions (perhaps billions) so it deserved a public rebuke because he publicly rebuke God's people to millions(perhaps billions) to the saved and lost alike. Understand there is more to this video than what is placed in this correction and besides all that it was the best way to reach MOST of the people who watched it especially Mr. Harvey. Children of God aren't going to stay concerned about being openly rebuked because they will be more concerned about seeking forgiveness, sometimes it takes rebuke to mature. Consider that my brother.

The rebuke is to the Lukewarm Church and the Correction is for Steve Harvey. I'm glad someone obeyed God. I was edified by obedience and challenged as well to contend for the faith.
Yes I get your drift here- that's why I believe that the video is food for thought for those of us who call our selves saved. And yes, the book of James says we must "contend for the faith" (Jude 3)- and Paul told Timothy to "keep a CLOSE WATCH ON YOURSELF AND ON YOUR TEACHING. Stay true to what is right, and God will save you AND THOSE WHO HEAR YOU." (I Timothy 4:16, emphasis is mine). My point is, that having Steve Harvey give his testimony on TBN isn't going to be effective unless his understanding of doctrine is in line with God's word. And again I say, that does not only go for Steve, but for each and every one of us who call ourselves Christians.

Right, which this video lines up God's Word by taking the statements made by Harvey and correcting his error by the Word of GOD not opinion. This video addressed what you just stated.

I understand people are a bit shocked and don't feel it should have been done publicly but had no problem with Steve blasting the Church publicly and also stating what we should be doing. Steve wants the Church to disobey God, he's saying it on international television. Everyone who saw it and never heard someone correct or rebuke his words were reaffirmed in their sinful thinking , even the carnal minded so-called Christians. If that doesn't sadden some or all then what else can be said. I'm more concerned with folks souls than being politically correct or accepted because people outside the Body think we should operate as the World does. We have instructions to follow and commands given to us by our Lord. If all these people know the Lord so well why does their lives contradict the very God who told us how to recognize those who know Him. The book of 1 John deals with this excellently so we are not fooled and believe me plenty of people have been fooled by watching the real TBN broadcast. Check it out on Youtube, it's about 1 hour or so long. Then compare it to this 10 minute video done in love and compassion for Steve's soul which is what should have been done on TBN instead of given him a platform to MINISTER to God's people, rebuke and correct us and market his suits. SMH

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Permalink Reply by AnDraea on January 27, 2010 at 6:07pm

I think we are in agreement on some things Richard, I'm okay with agreeing to disagree on the other things. I've seen all the footage. I respect your point of view. I think scripture supports the idea that rebuke/correction is necessary, but it must always be done with a spirit of gentleness, and for the most part privately (unless there is no repentance or unless it is an elder).

The intent of the video was to shed light on the situation, and I believe that purpose was served. But it may have been in poor taste to use Steve Harvey as an object lesson when it is so obvious that he has this hurt towards the church or "church people"- maybe a different approach would have been more effective in reaching Steve himself (not the other people watching). TBN should carry the weight of the responsibility.

"...but had no problem with Steve blasting the Church publicly and also stating what we should be doing."

Yeah it doesn't feel good when people "blast the church". It is very hurtful, frustrating, and I can honestly say many times the accusations or "blastings" are false (though unfortunately not always). But part of the duty of the Church is to take on the reproach of Christ- that means the same way the world hated/hates Jesus Christ, it will also hate His true followers. And we should embrace the insults and not become embittered or overly defensive because of them, because Jesus didn't.

You seem to me to be a person with a passion for sound doctrine- I appreciate that.
BTW I'm a sista (that's my husband in the picture with me lol)

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Permalink Reply by Richard Galvatron3000 Smith III on January 27, 2010 at 7:36pm

OK, I can respect that. Oh, sorry I wasn't sure I noticed the male face first so sorry.

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Permalink Reply by Richard Galvatron3000 Smith III on January 27, 2010 at 8:21pm

But part of the duty of the Church is to take on the reproach of Christ- that means the same way the world hated/hates Jesus Christ, it will also hate His true followers. And we should embrace the insults and not become embittered or overly defensive because of them, because Jesus didn't.


Here's the problem with what you are saying here. This is not about sinners and Christians disagreeing if so then you have stated that Steve is a sinner and should not have been on TBN. Steve is a professing Christian so he deserved to be rebuked and correct according to the faith and scriptures.

The problem is in America we do almost nothing according to scripture so when people who truly apply scripture do so we get ridiculed and called angry and mean when we are showing forth the love of Christ by rebuke wrong within the Body of Christ. It's not popular and it is a lonely place but it is what we are CALLED to do. To say it is not of GOd and defensive is inaccurate, if it was up to my flesh I'd cuss them out or just leave the conversation with a sinner altogether. Who wants to keep being told you're being mean, angry, embittered, not Christ like by those who profess just because you are obeying Christ? Holiness is not popular. The Church allowing sinners to minister is wrong and ungodly but that's America, in China they excommunicate you because in China they are imprisoning and killing true Christians. These practices are not historical nor scriptural Christianity.

Yes, I'm all for sound doctrine and glorifying Christ, if I'm wrong I'm all for correction but if I'm right then people need to wake up. It's not that I want to be right I just want to be like Christ. Christ rebuke the Phasrisees who were hypocrites not Church folk but those who knew the scriptures but placed traditions of men above God's word and didn't practice what they preached. That's what they did, not just pointed fingers but hypocritically pointed fingers, search the scriptures to see if what I'm speaking is true

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Permalink Reply by AnDraea on January 28, 2010 at 2:40pm

Here's the problem with what you are saying here. This is not about sinners and Christians disagreeing if so then you have stated that Steve is a sinner and should not have been on TBN. Steve is a professing Christian so he deserved to be rebuked and correct according to the faith and scriptures.

That's a good point, but I'm not sure you have to be a "sinner" to engage in the practice of tearing down the Church. The practice of "blasting the church" (which is what we were originally referencing), is a carnal practice which is taken up by many people right within the church walls- and believe me- there are plenty of christians who do it (and I don't mean false brothers/sisters). And what should our response be? A scriptural one.

Let me say something else about rebuking. Steve Harvey has not really been rebuked. When you rebuke something you are actually stopping it from happening. Has Steve stopped putting forth his spiritual philosophy? I don't think so. Another thing, a rebuke (or should I say correction) of someone is always supposed to be done face to face- not over the internet. It's just good old decency to go to the person IN PERSON to deliver a word of correction before you put them out there like that. The prophet Nathaniel did it for King David when he murdered his friend Uriah. Paul did it with Peter when Peter was being hypocritical with the Gentiles. And we should do it too.

And just so we are clear- I DID say Steve should not have been on TBN in the first place and I stand by that. Is he a sinner? Yes- and so am I.

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Permalink Reply by Richard Galvatron3000 Smith III on January 28, 2010 at 3:36pm

I would agree but Jesus rebuked the Pharisees but it didn't STOP them from continuing their practices.

Again, Steve wasn't really who the video was directed too, it was directed mostly to Church Folk, Steve made statements that were corrected by God's Word. I hope he got a copy but seriously doubt he did. I know of no one that can get in touch with Mr Harvey but since what he said was done INTERNATIONALLY and very public it should be of no surprise that an ordinary person who took the time to listen to him and PROVIDE him with truth, did so, even though he was surrounded by the so call church.

I use the term blast and maybe it sounds harsher than it actually should but Steve was saying thing about people within the Church that I am aware these types of things happen but he also went into telling the Church how it should operate to sinners that were not close to being scriptural. Also, Steve wasn't crying about being hurt by the Church, he was crying because he was talking about his dead mother and what she had taught him. While he was doing that he went into more details about things he doesn't like about the Church and many people allowed their emotions to ride with his and got sucked in by his tears. People missed the meat of what Steve said because of that and he slipped in some heresy while doing so. It;'s on the video response.

I am aware you said Steve shouldn't have been on TBN and I am aware that you had enough insight to see TBN used him for ratings as well but I was addressing another statement you made :

But part of the duty of the Church is to take on the reproach of Christ- that means the same way the world hated/hates Jesus Christ, it will also hate His true followers. And we should embrace the insults and not become embittered or overly defensive because of them, because Jesus didn't.

If Steve is apart of the World and he made railing statements against the Church there would be nothing to say but Steve is a professing CHristian. If he is apart of the world (un repentant sinner) then he shouldn't have been on TBN. Either way he should not have beeen given a platform to minister to God's people or the nations the way he was on this night. It is a shame before God that he was allowed to do such without any correction, but those who love money and fame wouldn't say a word and when someone unknown did it they are being ridicule because people are concerned how the world views it more so than how God views it.

I'd rather be concerned about misrepresenting Christ by doing what I believe God wants than not represent Him by concerning myself what people think. God will correct His children. I don't however believe nor think anyone can support God's correcting this video. I believe it was done in the Spirit of God and approved by God.

Again, this entire broadcast was all over youtube with many people following it and no one is upset about how it has lead many astray but people are upset that a rebuke was done over the same airwaves because it makes people uncomfortable seeing correction done the right way go forth to those who may view it that are not of the Church. I don't agree with that approach at all and everything Christ said and did was why he was crucified by sinners, even His love they rejected.

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Permalink Reply by AnDraea on January 28, 2010 at 3:56pm

LOL you're right about the rebuking part gotta eat my words on that one- Jesus let 'em have it and they never repented.

Richard, do you by any chance know who produced this video?

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Permalink Reply by Richard Galvatron3000 Smith III on January 28, 2010 at 4:02pm

Yes, I know who produced the video. If you come to facebook or youtube I can introduce you. Hit my inbox for more details.

Permalink Reply by Lamar Gibbs on February 17, 2010 at 12:12pm

Andrea, I must say I was reading the discussion btwn you and Richard and I loved it. It was done in a spirit of gentleness and love..God is pleased with it. Just wanted to let you know!

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